An 'interesting' point of view

Just been checking out Ray Davies' weblog in which he writes about last night's Domino beers in London:

I decided to join the group for a beer. As predicted it was hard work and just strengthens my view that programmers don't like sharing!

Eh? Programmers don't like sharing? How on earth does anyone come by that view? Setting aside other minor (!) things like the existence of copious amounts of shareware, freeware and open source code, has the explosion of programmer-oriented weblogs in the last few years — with the reams of code and downloads that go with them — completely passed Ray by? As far as Notes and Domino are concerned, I'm also curious as to how anyone could visit sites like Notestips or nsftools and still come to such a conclusion. Bizarre.


  1. Doesn't exactly sound like Ray knows how to foster good team cooperation! Sounds like he was expecting a free development resource. Perhaps he had trouble with interviewing potential developers…Dave Meehan#
  2. Hi Ben, don't like sharing! (the good stuff!)

    Try and find a good personal Domino Web site that can be used by anybody.

    Try finding a small CRM system that does not cost the earth.

    We all have them but we don’t want to share it, probably rightly so. My views are that the Notes community should pool resources and see IBM for what they are, the distributor of “Domino” blocks that we, the business community, have to shape into stunning applications to deliver to market. Users and potential users are screaming out for these apps at a reasonable cost. We all know some very clever Domino programmers but it seems they are mostly reinventing the wheel and do not always use the good stuff IBM has plumbed into ND6. Why can’t we go to the high street and buy Fifty Popular apps For ND6 published by OpenNtf?

    The question is how to get the model right to move the potential apps to market for a reasonable return. This in turn will extend and expand the Domino market creating more opportunities for all of us. If people use the apps that OpenNtf is creating then that is a good thing. It is sharing with structure and aims to build the market by showing how amazing Domino is. Communal apps written by Domino aficionados for Notes users everywhere is a good thing and I use every free bit I can get. My comment is more aimed at those with great ideas that do not feel the model is ready to share yet. Let’s define the market opportunity, pool resources, create killer apps and get rich. Remember, a generic killer apps is good for show casing the product but serious customers will still need clever resources to create the apps that will give them the competitive edge so jobs are still secure.

    Anyway, you are right of course as there are loads of bits and pieces out there and we, the non-developers, are all very grateful for it. I would like to start a new campaign in the UK for Notes 6 called “It Works” Any takers? Ray Davies#

  3. Hi Ray, thanks for dropping by. Some good thoughts — I'm all ears if you think we can get rich out of all this. Been trying to do that for years…

    ;-)Ben Poole#

  4. "Let’s define the market opportunity, pool resources, create killer apps and get rich. "

    Ray, that sounds very good, and if i hear you saying so, im dreaming about the big money. But you dont mean that real, the competitors are sleeping? Dont they try the same? Sometimes with much more effort, work, hours, brilliance, persistence, blood and money. Money can buy the best talents of the world. You mean, IBM has no brillant developers, designers, and whatever you want in Böblingen/Germany? Each of them is more capable then 100 Steves/Mikes/Jakes together. And you want to -define the market opportunity, - pool resources, - create killer apps You must be already very rich, to have so much time, or be a genius, or i do not know what. But thats something, what professional IT companies do every day, worldwide, with a huge bunch of bucks, you cant even dream of.

    I hear your talking, i see my users. They like to talk about "killer-apps". Ok, they have not seen much and their experience is therefore a little one-dimensional. So its naturally to tale that word in their mouth and say…k.i.l.l.e.r.a.p.p…wow…sounds good. The reality? I dont know nobody who could predict what will be a killer app, many are dreaming about it (yes, they want to get rich quick), but nobody has this killer app. You like sweepstakes? I dont. Too much luck needed to win the big bang. So i work hard…unspectacular…will they be killer apps? Omg…killer apps…please…not that i have no fantasy, cant predict trend and meta trends, its only… know…

    i need 100 talents to manage my work to be successfull, but i only have 10. Thats the usual reality. Put 10 talented developers together and you still have not 100 talents, you have maybe 15-20. Often we do miss sales talent. Ever saw a developer in sales action? Nice, really funny to watch…but selling something? How, nobody understand what they are mumbling about…selling…no…really, dont try it with developers.

    Ok, full stop here. You mean, i lie, i´m overdrawing? Yes, indeed. I confess i did. No, really, i like your idea. But i wanted to speak like my father or some of my earlier mentors about the market and the cold reality. Its simple as it always was: if you dont have the cohones and the mos brutal discipline to work hard like a freak you wont earn not a cent. If you proove me wrong, believe me or not, i will congratulate you first. What a pity we couldnt drink together a beer in London. We would have much fun. ehhh..and dont take my words too serious…its nothing against you. Just drew a really anti-picture to can hear what you will answer. Maybe. xxx

    Rob :-)))Robert Basic#

  5. All of the above is what Ive been trying to do with - Open Source is impossible when you are a freelance developer - its like building a car and then giving it away - So you have to try and get in the middle - develop stuff and allow personal/non-profit use for free - then try and licence the stuff to the corporates who can afford to pay (and then essentially they are funding the community) - then instead of giving away your life - you write about the experiences and share the cool snippets for people to learn from - I cannot think of a better balance - so far - without taking away my career. Openntf is fantastic and has created a great focus (which I think is its biggest asset) - I expect many of the features in 6.5 mail were inspired by their great work (which then is a big acheivement) - but what then - markets are tight - Lotus Notes is a living not a hobby to most - so beyond mail and blogging - what can it achieve/do? - I wonder what the drive and plan is for say the next six months - it will be a big challenge!Steve Castledine#

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