Leaving Notes for Google: a list

OK so a provocative post from the Cloud Sherpas, but I did like their top ten list of reasons to move away from Lotus Notes, especially these ones:

  • Killnotes.exe should be more of an attitude than a program.
  • I never made the switch to Java, and neither did Lotus.
  • I never was and never will be a fan of Quincy.

Read more: Top 10 Reasons I Left Lotus Notes for Google Apps.


  1. I stopped reading at "Lotus Notes servers".
    Pedro Quaresma#
  2. Title should be Top 10 Reasons I Left Lotus Notes R4 for Google Apps.Vitor Pereira#
  3. I liked the QNC reference - how old is that?

    Tempted to write a "top ten reasons to ignore people who don't know what they're talking about" post…Rob McDonagh#
  4. While I am a long time Note user, I can honestly say that large enterprise organizations likely will not move the Google apps. But lets take a look at why organizations do.

    First off many people have said that if Domino were properly implemented they would understand that Domino does things better/or the same as Google apps.

    Well to counter this, you are right. But given the economic state of things, all Notes admins are doing 20 times what they did 10 years ago. In fact I remember my first tasks every morning were to review the logs for errors from the night before. Who still has time to do this? I used to work in an environment where I was the admin for 1,200 people. Not too bad. Well we went from 8 administrators managing their individual business units to 2 people supporting 65 servers 10 Internet Domains, and 3,500 users. It is impossible to properly maintain the environment when users are given priority over servers, which was our case.

    I've spent the last five years doing Domain consolidations, divestitures and seen a lot of "admins" who frankly don't know Domino. It is these organizations that stand to benefit from a move to something like Google apps. In one case I was given an ID to use on my laptop where my client said it was an expired ID. I reviewed the certificates and they were not valid until the next year. I reviewed the OS with the Admin and his date was a year in advance.

    So lets qualify that in an environment where Notes is not properly configured it may be indicative to ignorance of management of what Notes can or cannot do. As a result, without proper staffing, poor implementations will be expected. Secondly for small to medium sized businesses, these staffing levels seldom entail dedicated Domino members. Without dedicated individuals again proper maintenance and management of the Domino infrastructure cannot be attained.

    I am and always will be a supporter of Lotus Notes and Domino applications. I would never stipulate to any of my customer which platform to use for their individual organizations. I can however see why it is beneficial for some organizations to move to Google apps. In terms of management perception is reality. If it is expensive and it isn't doing what it is "supposed" to do, make the move.

    That being said, organizations are going to make their own business decisions on moving to any messaging platform based upon their specific business needs, objectives and reasoning.

    We can all say that this does that or that does that… but when push comes to shove lets discuss the reasons organizations leave rather than the capabilities of either platform. They see a business case to do so. The root cause may not be the platform but the fact that the organization is not willing to put the right people in the position who know what they are doing. This is also the case when organizations move from any messaging platform to another including moving to Notes.Perry Hiltz#
  5. I was all ready to be open minded about this - after all, I think Google has a much better Email+Calendar+ToDo ONLY product. If they went head to head against Lotus or Microsoft in that arena, they deserve to win.

    It all changes when Notes/Domino Apps come in to play however. That's where IBM has a clear advantage.

    So yes, I was keen to see what they had to say… Of their ten points, only one had any relevance to me. "Google’s 25GB inbox opens in less than 5 seconds." and even then, they got it wrong. It's not about the timing - duh… it's about 25GB … wow… that's a lot of space for mail.

    Anyway, it turns out that they're just another pathetic migration company looking for a quick sale and without any idea of the platform they're moving from.

    Sad, that someone can speak on such a relevant topic and yet say nothing useful at all.Gavin Bollard#
  6. Ben, I tried to comment here on this yesterday, specifically wrt quincy, but your server always blocks my office gateway IP, saying we're spammers. We're not (we're running Domino, with a mix of 7 and 8 clients). Is it cos I is in Malaysia?

    My actual comment was pre-empted by Steve MacDonagh's on the original articleDave Harris#
  7. Yikes, sorry Dave, yeah. Over the 7 years this site has been running, it’s amassed a stack of IP address ranges which have committed heinous acts of abuse ;-) Sounds like your proxy / gateway got caught up in that. By all means ping me off-line with the IP address and I’ll check it out.Ben Poole#
  8. Gavin agreed; whilst we all hear a lot of noise about Google Apps beating out Lotus Notes, it’s all about mail / calendaring and document sharing. That’s not to put those things down though—they play a massive part in many Notes installations I see nowadays. But the silence is deafening when it comes to full-on applications, more specifically, application migration.

    However, there’s a real challenge here for yellow bubbles: we will see more moves into Google Apps for Notes shops simply because they’re not using all this “custom app stuff”. Likewise I find it hard to believe that Google and co. are resting on their laurels with no deeper migration plans in the offing.

    (The Google App Engine is pretty damn nifty BTW )Ben Poole#

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