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I wrote this blog post in 47 seconds

All this talk of coding a functional web app in x minutes is an utter nonsense. I’m completely baffled by it.

Come now, get a grip. Everyone knows that proper developers (and, more importantly, their managers) measure productivity in lines of code.

Comments

  1. I wrote this response in 3 adrians.Jason Hook#
  2. 47 seconds show how social you are? Compared to wordpress?

    Nice catch :-)

    Serdar Basegmez#
  3. I think metrics like these tell a more interesting story:

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=asp.net+mvc%2C+xpages

    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/asp.net-mvc
    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/xpagesJeff Gilfelt#
  4. But you blog post lacks all the important features... like RAD, it has only the basic attention getting subject and a trifle of content. Where's the expository prose? The colorfully annotated code? That would have taken much more time and planning, no doubt, like a real application that can't be magicked into existence except with a template or scaffold. At least copy and paste a chart or something. I mean c'mon. Seriously. This retort took me 32 seconds to spew.Jerry Carter#
  5. Ben You are missing the point - but we forgive you. Palmi#
  6. @5 Oh. Thanks.Ben Poole#
  7. I am with you Ben, its stupid and you will hear the same arguments about Domino and every other technology over the next week or so. If someone wants to impress the global community, then create an open source XPages based application that is pluggable and as extensible like Wordpress, Joomla, Drupal, SugarCRM, or any of the other business applications out there because that is everyone is moving.

    Businesses are seeing the value of a community around a framework and they are taking these open source beasts and using the many commercial and free plugins to get a personalized experience.Bob Balfe#
  8. Nailed it.Colin Williams#
  9. Actually, I only had about 5 minutes spare time to watch a video yesterday, so I was pretty impressed that I could learn something so interesting and useful. It's not about building a fully functional app but it did give xpages newbies like myself a bit more of an incentive to go experiment.Gavin Bollard#
  10. Don't knock the KLOC! :-)Darren Duke#
  11. @Bob : would like too, but still a hard time trying to understand composite application landmarks and such intuitive concepts... ahahah, could not resist ;-)Michael#
  12. I think Gavins comment @9 sums up the importance of doing this. We all know proper applications take time and planning. But for someone new they will tend to think "If I can do that in 5 minutes? Just think what I can do in a day or two".

    Also it shows how the RADD follows a logical process. I can create an eclipse plugin in 5 minutes, but any newbie watching is going to be just as confused after the video vs the XPages one. :-)

    The other side of the coin is you end up with something like VB back in the 80's, where you could create your app in 5 minutes (with 6 inch buttons and luminous green background, because everyone likes green, amirite? :-)

    Simon O'Doherty#
  13. @3, intresting stats. Shows that most people don't use StackOverflow to ask XPages related questions.

    Also appears to show ASP is in decline, while XPages is increasing since 2009.
    Simon O'Doherty#
  14. @13 I would hope that XPages is on the rise, wouldn’t you? It’s only been a round a couple of years!

    I don’t really see a decline in ASP .NET MVC though. Nor should I—like XPages, it’s not that old (Version 2.0 came out in March 2010). It’s a relatively new framework, developed in part as a response to Rails (some might say). Certainly it shares the Rails concepts of convention over configuration, and lots of testing.

    Incidentally, there are a couple of interesting pieces on ASP .NET MVC in the June 2010 edition of PragPub (which I recommend to all coders out there. It’s free!)

    http://www.pragprog.com/magazinesBen Poole#
  15. @14 well I was trying to point out the silliness in the trends to try and prove something.

    If you look at "asp.net mvc" alone you will see it is trending down. But that is probably meaningless as well. What is more likely is people are using Bing to search or migrating to other technologies which XPages would overlap into (eg. SSJS, JSF, Dojo, Ajax, etc)
    Simon O'Doherty#
  16. @Mike - good one! Bob Balfe#

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